Listen in as host Kevin Bixby talks about a California bill that would set an incredibly ambitious goal of protecting 30 percent of the state's land and waters by 2030 with his guest Pamela Flick, California Program Director, Defenders of Wildlife. If the bill passes, California would become the first state to adopt such a measure, part of the growing movement to protect nature on a grand scale in the fight against the twin existential threats of mass extinction and climate chaos.

To learn more about the Defenders of Wildlife's 30x30 report, click here

Catch the show Tuesday, August 4th at 10am MDT on KTAL-LP 101.5 FM (Las Cruces) and KURU 87.5 FM (Silver City). Or by streaming it on KTAL's website

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